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	<title>Comments on: Say What? &#8211; Whitney Pastorek (Entertainment Weekly)</title>
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		<title>By: Layla Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Layla Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In ballroom dancing, my favorite dance is Rumba and the Flamenco..;-]]></description>
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		<title>By: vp</title>
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		<dc:creator>vp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This clip is perfect for this site. It is one of the greats Ray Benson speaking about new and old country music, where country music has been and where it is headed, and alot of people may be shocked to see who he defends from the 5 to 10 minute mark. Maybe I should post this on a more current discussion cause it is an ongoing conver sation on this site about the history and traditionalism of country music. We&#039;ll see if anyone see&#039;s it here first. It&#039;s a great interview you really should watch the whole thing, enjoy:

http://www.kvue.com/video/local-index.html?nvid=302949]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This clip is perfect for this site. It is one of the greats Ray Benson speaking about new and old country music, where country music has been and where it is headed, and alot of people may be shocked to see who he defends from the 5 to 10 minute mark. Maybe I should post this on a more current discussion cause it is an ongoing conver sation on this site about the history and traditionalism of country music. We&#8217;ll see if anyone see&#8217;s it here first. It&#8217;s a great interview you really should watch the whole thing, enjoy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kvue.com/video/local-index.html?nvid=302949" rel="nofollow">http://www.kvue.com/video/local-index.html?nvid=302949</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gavin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know what is interesting? Reba McEntire has 46 nominations and only 6 wins. Martina McBride 24 noms and only 5 wins. Shania Twain has 10 noms and 1 win. Faith Hill has 19 noms and 3 wins. Alison Krauss has 24 noms and 8 wins. Trisha Yearwood has 20 noms and 3 wins. Patty Loveless has 20 noms and 5 wins. Lee Ann Womack has 18 noms and 6 wins. Sara Evans has 13 noms and 1 win. Rosanne Cash has 11 noms and 0 wins. Tammy Wynette has 27 noms and 3 wins. Dolly Parton has 43 noms and 9 wins. Loretta Lynn has 38 noms and 8 wins. Wynonna has 5 noms and 0 wins. Kathy Mattea has 15 noms and 4 wins. Now I&#039;ve listed 15 very talented and mostly legendary women here that have a combined 333 nominations and 62 wins between them. Of the 62 wins 24 were Female Vocalist Awards, 20 were for Duo or Vocal Event, 5 for Video, 4 for Entertainer, 4 for Album, 4 for Single, and 1 Horizon Award. Carrie Underwood, Taylor Swift, and Miranda Lambert along with every other female artist have almost 0 chance to win anything other than the Female Vocalist Award or if they partner up with a man they have have a good chance to win the Vocal Event. This blatant lack of respect for the female artist is depressing to say the least. When Carrie Underwood took home the award for Single of the Year for Before He Cheats that was a big deal. When Jennifer Nettles took home Song of the Year for Stay that was huge. I would like to see more of that in the coming years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what is interesting? Reba McEntire has 46 nominations and only 6 wins. Martina McBride 24 noms and only 5 wins. Shania Twain has 10 noms and 1 win. Faith Hill has 19 noms and 3 wins. Alison Krauss has 24 noms and 8 wins. Trisha Yearwood has 20 noms and 3 wins. Patty Loveless has 20 noms and 5 wins. Lee Ann Womack has 18 noms and 6 wins. Sara Evans has 13 noms and 1 win. Rosanne Cash has 11 noms and 0 wins. Tammy Wynette has 27 noms and 3 wins. Dolly Parton has 43 noms and 9 wins. Loretta Lynn has 38 noms and 8 wins. Wynonna has 5 noms and 0 wins. Kathy Mattea has 15 noms and 4 wins. Now I&#8217;ve listed 15 very talented and mostly legendary women here that have a combined 333 nominations and 62 wins between them. Of the 62 wins 24 were Female Vocalist Awards, 20 were for Duo or Vocal Event, 5 for Video, 4 for Entertainer, 4 for Album, 4 for Single, and 1 Horizon Award. Carrie Underwood, Taylor Swift, and Miranda Lambert along with every other female artist have almost 0 chance to win anything other than the Female Vocalist Award or if they partner up with a man they have have a good chance to win the Vocal Event. This blatant lack of respect for the female artist is depressing to say the least. When Carrie Underwood took home the award for Single of the Year for Before He Cheats that was a big deal. When Jennifer Nettles took home Song of the Year for Stay that was huge. I would like to see more of that in the coming years.</p>
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		<title>By: vp</title>
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		<dc:creator>vp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See I am glad there can be a normal conversation about Carrie without is seeming like she is being attack the last few post have commented on her talents, and also spoke of where she can improve and with the positivity that she most likely will improve. No one person is perfect we all have faults that need work but that doesn&#039;t me you always need to be attacked for your good qualities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See I am glad there can be a normal conversation about Carrie without is seeming like she is being attack the last few post have commented on her talents, and also spoke of where she can improve and with the positivity that she most likely will improve. No one person is perfect we all have faults that need work but that doesn&#8217;t me you always need to be attacked for your good qualities.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with vp on the fact that Carrie is truly a genuine person and that clip proves it! You can tell that she knows the awards don&#039;t come cheap, they involve hard work and dedication and they aren&#039;t just handed out to random people...you have to earn it! To me, she&#039;s earned every award she&#039;s ever received. I think most of us know she&#039;ll go down as one of the greatest female vocalists in country music. Is she the greatest, probably not. But if she goes on to win two more vocalists trophies (which I for one believe will happen) and surpasses Martina and Reba, will that make her the greatest female vocalist?? Probably not...unless you measure on award wins, which I&#039;m sure most people don&#039;t...hopefully. 

As far as the whole artistic standpoint goes, like everyone&#039;s been saying, she still has to grow. Sure, she hasn&#039;t released the most artistically stellar material, but if you think about it, has anyone released brilliant albums everytime?? Even greats like Trisha, Patty, and George haven&#039;t always released masterpieces in their careers. I say give Carrie a chance, who knows, this next album can blow us all away! 

Oh, if you ever get a chance to see Miss Underwood live...do it! I saw her on the 7th and she put on an amazing show! Plus she did an acoustic version of &#039;I Told You So&#039; that was AMAZING!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with vp on the fact that Carrie is truly a genuine person and that clip proves it! You can tell that she knows the awards don&#8217;t come cheap, they involve hard work and dedication and they aren&#8217;t just handed out to random people&#8230;you have to earn it! To me, she&#8217;s earned every award she&#8217;s ever received. I think most of us know she&#8217;ll go down as one of the greatest female vocalists in country music. Is she the greatest, probably not. But if she goes on to win two more vocalists trophies (which I for one believe will happen) and surpasses Martina and Reba, will that make her the greatest female vocalist?? Probably not&#8230;unless you measure on award wins, which I&#8217;m sure most people don&#8217;t&#8230;hopefully. </p>
<p>As far as the whole artistic standpoint goes, like everyone&#8217;s been saying, she still has to grow. Sure, she hasn&#8217;t released the most artistically stellar material, but if you think about it, has anyone released brilliant albums everytime?? Even greats like Trisha, Patty, and George haven&#8217;t always released masterpieces in their careers. I say give Carrie a chance, who knows, this next album can blow us all away! </p>
<p>Oh, if you ever get a chance to see Miss Underwood live&#8230;do it! I saw her on the 7th and she put on an amazing show! Plus she did an acoustic version of &#8216;I Told You So&#8217; that was AMAZING!!</p>
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		<title>By: Diamond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again this site provide such diverse, smart discussion.  Refreshing.  I appreciated the link to the clip.  Hadn&#039;t seen it.  BTW, Carrie says she&#039;s going to start working on/writing a new album right after the CR tour.  So maybe by next fall we&#039;ll have some answers about the direction she&#039;s headed as an artist.  Are there other country albums we should be watching for soon?  I figure someone here will know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again this site provide such diverse, smart discussion.  Refreshing.  I appreciated the link to the clip.  Hadn&#8217;t seen it.  BTW, Carrie says she&#8217;s going to start working on/writing a new album right after the CR tour.  So maybe by next fall we&#8217;ll have some answers about the direction she&#8217;s headed as an artist.  Are there other country albums we should be watching for soon?  I figure someone here will know.</p>
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		<title>By: vp</title>
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		<dc:creator>vp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree it is a good vid and yes there is not enough of that commaradary and there should be they are all out there doing the same job trying to entertain us, but it nice to see there is still some.

It&#039;s not like that is a rare thing for her if you research she always talks like that, and maybe that&#039;s why people want to be negative when it comes to her, but maybe it&#039;s just me I like the to see that someone can be that genuinely nice it give me some hope for others in a world filled with negativity.

This new trying to see the positive thing is working for me (for now)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it is a good vid and yes there is not enough of that commaradary and there should be they are all out there doing the same job trying to entertain us, but it nice to see there is still some.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like that is a rare thing for her if you research she always talks like that, and maybe that&#8217;s why people want to be negative when it comes to her, but maybe it&#8217;s just me I like the to see that someone can be that genuinely nice it give me some hope for others in a world filled with negativity.</p>
<p>This new trying to see the positive thing is working for me (for now)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin J. Coyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin J. Coyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[vp,

Such a great video I&#039;m tempted to front-page it.  What makes me sad is that this stands out now.  In country music, it used to be the norm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vp,</p>
<p>Such a great video I&#8217;m tempted to front-page it.  What makes me sad is that this stands out now.  In country music, it used to be the norm.</p>
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		<title>By: vp</title>
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		<dc:creator>vp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay I have tons to say Between Dan, Blake and Kevin it is alot to absorb. First Whitney is dead on about Taylor, and I think although she can write a song there are limitations to her writing it seems she&#039;s always writing about the same stuff, but the talent is there and hopefully will grow. 

I&#039;m trying this new look at the positives as well not only the negatives.

On to Carrie she does have a big bulls eye on her because of the way she got here and how fast she has done it. But if you breakdown her career after AI it all seems to make sense and is justified. I think the thing with fame is, these artists lives are picked apart to find something promblematic and when there isn&#039;t it makes people attack the artist actual talent. There is no dening she is the best country singing technically we got right now. With that said she has been quoted many times saying that there are many improvements that she needs to make and that she watches other artist to see where she can improve. She has openly admitted to being an extremly shy person, so it has to hard to be put in the situation she was after AI, but she said she is getting more comfortable on stage, but there is still room to grow, and I think that is admiral for her to say. She also was quoted saying when asked if there was anything else she wanted to accomplish, and her answer was she doesn&#039;t set out to break records or only produce #1 singles or to win awards, she said she doesn&#039;t want to get lazy she wants to grow as an artist and keep growing as her career goes on she said longevity would be a good accomplishment and to do that she has to keep improving.

I think she has shown on many occasions her respect for country history and the women who have come before her. I also do think she could do alittle more country sounded singles. Then I think it has only been three years since this girl was just going to school everyday and you can&#039;t learn this stuff over night so let&#039;s see what happens five years from now.

All the recods she has broken and history she has made, she didn&#039;t do it herself, everyone contributes, radio, tv, fans, everyone that surrounds and she has a real sense of that, and excuse the language but I think it pisses people of that she is just a genuine real nice person and there is no dirt to be found on her, she&#039;s not clubing it, or shaving her head, but just enjoying herself, and I think that was obvious at the awards. 

If she wouldn&#039;t have come along who ever would be consider the main woman in country would get the scrutiny as well it comes with territory. You know what I do like about her though she has CLASS, she doesn&#039;t care what people think, she knows there are haters out there she just chooses to overlook them, and she is very gracious and appreciative which is a rare thing in this day and age, these are me. me. me. days and she&#039;s not about that and here is an example of that, watch right to the end and you will see what I mean:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=AFG8Wot3mGY

No matter what we comment about her or others they will still keep doing what the are doing and will always be picked on by someone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay I have tons to say Between Dan, Blake and Kevin it is alot to absorb. First Whitney is dead on about Taylor, and I think although she can write a song there are limitations to her writing it seems she&#8217;s always writing about the same stuff, but the talent is there and hopefully will grow. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying this new look at the positives as well not only the negatives.</p>
<p>On to Carrie she does have a big bulls eye on her because of the way she got here and how fast she has done it. But if you breakdown her career after AI it all seems to make sense and is justified. I think the thing with fame is, these artists lives are picked apart to find something promblematic and when there isn&#8217;t it makes people attack the artist actual talent. There is no dening she is the best country singing technically we got right now. With that said she has been quoted many times saying that there are many improvements that she needs to make and that she watches other artist to see where she can improve. She has openly admitted to being an extremly shy person, so it has to hard to be put in the situation she was after AI, but she said she is getting more comfortable on stage, but there is still room to grow, and I think that is admiral for her to say. She also was quoted saying when asked if there was anything else she wanted to accomplish, and her answer was she doesn&#8217;t set out to break records or only produce #1 singles or to win awards, she said she doesn&#8217;t want to get lazy she wants to grow as an artist and keep growing as her career goes on she said longevity would be a good accomplishment and to do that she has to keep improving.</p>
<p>I think she has shown on many occasions her respect for country history and the women who have come before her. I also do think she could do alittle more country sounded singles. Then I think it has only been three years since this girl was just going to school everyday and you can&#8217;t learn this stuff over night so let&#8217;s see what happens five years from now.</p>
<p>All the recods she has broken and history she has made, she didn&#8217;t do it herself, everyone contributes, radio, tv, fans, everyone that surrounds and she has a real sense of that, and excuse the language but I think it pisses people of that she is just a genuine real nice person and there is no dirt to be found on her, she&#8217;s not clubing it, or shaving her head, but just enjoying herself, and I think that was obvious at the awards. </p>
<p>If she wouldn&#8217;t have come along who ever would be consider the main woman in country would get the scrutiny as well it comes with territory. You know what I do like about her though she has CLASS, she doesn&#8217;t care what people think, she knows there are haters out there she just chooses to overlook them, and she is very gracious and appreciative which is a rare thing in this day and age, these are me. me. me. days and she&#8217;s not about that and here is an example of that, watch right to the end and you will see what I mean:</p>
<p><a href="http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=AFG8Wot3mGY" rel="nofollow">http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=AFG8Wot3mGY</a></p>
<p>No matter what we comment about her or others they will still keep doing what the are doing and will always be picked on by someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Milliken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Milliken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin,

I&#039;ll concede that &quot;competitive&quot; wasn&#039;t the best word to use about the Female Vocalist trophy; I probably should have just said &quot;prestigious.&quot; My point remains, though, that anyone who manages to win that award three years in a row - and right out of the gate, no less - is bound to attract a great deal of scrutiny, and rightly so. I actually agree that she hasn&#039;t really been over-rewarded from a commercial standpoint, but since the award (and ideally, commercial success itself) is supposed to take into account artistic success, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s wrong to question why she&#039;s experiencing such a massive reign.

As to the other point, I obviously exaggerated quite a bit in my remarks about how you were painting the scenario. I was trying to make a point, and I apologize if it came across as cynical or worse. My point was that no artist - regardless of talent level - should get a free pass where music is concerned. I agree that some people push criticism too far or exercise it unfairly - I&#039;m sure I have here at some points - but it&#039;s not as though Carrie Underwood is the only talented artist to receive the blunt end of that.

And Blake makes an excellent point that much of the criticism is probably better directed to the industry&#039;s virtually unflagging championship of her than to her own artistic shortcomings. If she were making the mostly mediocre music that I feel she is and just selling in the middle of the pack, I probably wouldn&#039;t have a beef at all; I would just wait for the music to live up to the talent. That&#039;s how Josh Turner was in the beginning of his career to me (excepting &quot;Long Black Train,&quot; which was outstanding). Carrie has been &lt;i&gt;hugely&lt;/i&gt; rewarded right out of the gate for an early body of work that I still find more promising than compelling, and I find that kind of unjust. 

I guess I can only hope that Dudley is right (another great, well-reasoned comment, by the way - you strike me as a G) and that Carrie&#039;s best truly is yet to come. I believe everyone who says she&#039;s worked extremely hard since winning &lt;i&gt;Idol&lt;/i&gt; and she seems like a genuinely cool person, and of course the talent is there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll concede that &#8220;competitive&#8221; wasn&#8217;t the best word to use about the Female Vocalist trophy; I probably should have just said &#8220;prestigious.&#8221; My point remains, though, that anyone who manages to win that award three years in a row &#8211; and right out of the gate, no less &#8211; is bound to attract a great deal of scrutiny, and rightly so. I actually agree that she hasn&#8217;t really been over-rewarded from a commercial standpoint, but since the award (and ideally, commercial success itself) is supposed to take into account artistic success, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s wrong to question why she&#8217;s experiencing such a massive reign.</p>
<p>As to the other point, I obviously exaggerated quite a bit in my remarks about how you were painting the scenario. I was trying to make a point, and I apologize if it came across as cynical or worse. My point was that no artist &#8211; regardless of talent level &#8211; should get a free pass where music is concerned. I agree that some people push criticism too far or exercise it unfairly &#8211; I&#8217;m sure I have here at some points &#8211; but it&#8217;s not as though Carrie Underwood is the only talented artist to receive the blunt end of that.</p>
<p>And Blake makes an excellent point that much of the criticism is probably better directed to the industry&#8217;s virtually unflagging championship of her than to her own artistic shortcomings. If she were making the mostly mediocre music that I feel she is and just selling in the middle of the pack, I probably wouldn&#8217;t have a beef at all; I would just wait for the music to live up to the talent. That&#8217;s how Josh Turner was in the beginning of his career to me (excepting &#8220;Long Black Train,&#8221; which was outstanding). Carrie has been <i>hugely</i> rewarded right out of the gate for an early body of work that I still find more promising than compelling, and I find that kind of unjust. </p>
<p>I guess I can only hope that Dudley is right (another great, well-reasoned comment, by the way &#8211; you strike me as a G) and that Carrie&#8217;s best truly is yet to come. I believe everyone who says she&#8217;s worked extremely hard since winning <i>Idol</i> and she seems like a genuinely cool person, and of course the talent is there.</p>
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