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		<title>By: Erik North</title>
		<link>http://www.countryuniverse.net/2009/01/30/discussion-unplumbed-depths/#comment-35424</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik North</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With Martina, I suppose her fairly conservative Midwestern upbringing makes her very cognizant of projecting the image of an all-American woman, or perhaps even a Soccer Mom (for lack of better terminology) and this is kind of reflected in a lot of the material she has covered.  It just poses some problems in terms of artistic integrity, since image can often swamp the art.  You may be making a lot of money, and you still may not feel like you&#039;re creating anything long-lasting.  And while I&#039;m not really a fan of Martina&#039;s, at the same time I don&#039;t want that to be her fate.  I think she can avoid it by simply listening closely once again to the records that inspired her, and apply that experience to her own.  She can expand her own horizons without damaging that image she has, in my opinion.

With Trisha Yearwood, who has always been one of my favorites when it comes to female country singers of the last three decades, I think she has more yet to offer her audiences.  Not that she hasn&#039;t offered a lot already (what with her closing in on that vaunted 20-year mark of recording), but I feel there is more yet to be discovered with her.  She talks about wanting to duet with Linda Ronstadt, which would pretty much be not only a feather in her career cap, but the culmination of a life-long dream.  I hope it happens, because there aren&#039;t too many singers who ever get to sing with someone who inspired them to the extent that Linda inspired Trisha.

In the case of Kenny Chesney, I think the best path to reaching his full potential is perhaps in not trying to put on a Jimmy Buffett act, because there really is only room in the world for one Parrothead.  I do remember hearing his hit from a few years back, &quot;I&#039;d Have Done A Lot Of Things Different&quot;, and thinking that such material is the kind of thing that true male country artists of the past always seemed to hunger for.  If he can find something along those lines and balance it with the fun-in-the-sun material he&#039;s known for, he probably could do even better than he&#039;s doing now]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Martina, I suppose her fairly conservative Midwestern upbringing makes her very cognizant of projecting the image of an all-American woman, or perhaps even a Soccer Mom (for lack of better terminology) and this is kind of reflected in a lot of the material she has covered.  It just poses some problems in terms of artistic integrity, since image can often swamp the art.  You may be making a lot of money, and you still may not feel like you&#8217;re creating anything long-lasting.  And while I&#8217;m not really a fan of Martina&#8217;s, at the same time I don&#8217;t want that to be her fate.  I think she can avoid it by simply listening closely once again to the records that inspired her, and apply that experience to her own.  She can expand her own horizons without damaging that image she has, in my opinion.</p>
<p>With Trisha Yearwood, who has always been one of my favorites when it comes to female country singers of the last three decades, I think she has more yet to offer her audiences.  Not that she hasn&#8217;t offered a lot already (what with her closing in on that vaunted 20-year mark of recording), but I feel there is more yet to be discovered with her.  She talks about wanting to duet with Linda Ronstadt, which would pretty much be not only a feather in her career cap, but the culmination of a life-long dream.  I hope it happens, because there aren&#8217;t too many singers who ever get to sing with someone who inspired them to the extent that Linda inspired Trisha.</p>
<p>In the case of Kenny Chesney, I think the best path to reaching his full potential is perhaps in not trying to put on a Jimmy Buffett act, because there really is only room in the world for one Parrothead.  I do remember hearing his hit from a few years back, &#8220;I&#8217;d Have Done A Lot Of Things Different&#8221;, and thinking that such material is the kind of thing that true male country artists of the past always seemed to hunger for.  If he can find something along those lines and balance it with the fun-in-the-sun material he&#8217;s known for, he probably could do even better than he&#8217;s doing now</p>
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		<title>By: vp</title>
		<link>http://www.countryuniverse.net/2009/01/30/discussion-unplumbed-depths/#comment-34900</link>
		<dc:creator>vp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know I to enjoy the traditional music, I have most of the great women of country on my iPod, some men too. But the thing is I have come to realize somewhere around 1998 that country music was changing and that the &quot;timeless&quot; ladies and music would I think forever be taking a back seat to the new format of country. 

While the fans of classics will stay in tune with their old time favs, cuntry radio I don&#039;t think will be buying it. I was very pleasantly surprised to hear &quot;Last Call&quot; getting quit a bit of air play around here, where Kenny is played at least twice every hour. I loved that song from the first time I heard a snip and downloaded it right away, but for sure thought radio will not give this a shot at all, so sometimes they do surprise us with some traditional stuff but very rarely.

So although I have my own old time favs I have come to adapt to the new format of what is country now a days, and learned a different sort of appreciation separate from traditional. That is just my take on it.

Now that I mentioned Kenny, he is one that I do believe does have more potential. I&#039;m sure some would be curious about this statement. I am tired of the drinking, partying, island music that has been the last four years of Kenny, with a few somewhat gems thrown in.
He has shown with &quot;More Than A Memory&quot;, &quot;Don&#039;t Blink&quot;, and &quot;You Saved Me&quot; that he can do it I think he just chooses to please the people to fill those stadiums. EOTY is supposed to be an all around award not just album and concert sales, and that is how it has been awarded to him, with alot more deserving left wondering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I to enjoy the traditional music, I have most of the great women of country on my iPod, some men too. But the thing is I have come to realize somewhere around 1998 that country music was changing and that the &#8220;timeless&#8221; ladies and music would I think forever be taking a back seat to the new format of country. </p>
<p>While the fans of classics will stay in tune with their old time favs, cuntry radio I don&#8217;t think will be buying it. I was very pleasantly surprised to hear &#8220;Last Call&#8221; getting quit a bit of air play around here, where Kenny is played at least twice every hour. I loved that song from the first time I heard a snip and downloaded it right away, but for sure thought radio will not give this a shot at all, so sometimes they do surprise us with some traditional stuff but very rarely.</p>
<p>So although I have my own old time favs I have come to adapt to the new format of what is country now a days, and learned a different sort of appreciation separate from traditional. That is just my take on it.</p>
<p>Now that I mentioned Kenny, he is one that I do believe does have more potential. I&#8217;m sure some would be curious about this statement. I am tired of the drinking, partying, island music that has been the last four years of Kenny, with a few somewhat gems thrown in.<br />
He has shown with &#8220;More Than A Memory&#8221;, &#8220;Don&#8217;t Blink&#8221;, and &#8220;You Saved Me&#8221; that he can do it I think he just chooses to please the people to fill those stadiums. EOTY is supposed to be an all around award not just album and concert sales, and that is how it has been awarded to him, with alot more deserving left wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Boldt</title>
		<link>http://www.countryuniverse.net/2009/01/30/discussion-unplumbed-depths/#comment-34897</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Boldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Opry suffered from a mini-generation who didn&#039;t hold the Opry in such high regard or didn&#039;t find it necessary to include as a key aspect of their careers (Faith Hill, Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney, George Strait, Shania Twain, among others). It makes sense that they would embrace any high-level act who expressed interest, even if the induction comes early in their careers (Loveless, Underwood, Bentley, Turner, etc.) In an attempt to stay relevant, the Opry needs its share of stars.

Erik North hit the nail on the head with Martina McBride, who would also be my choice. As clear-headed as she is about all details of her career, from her schedule, to her touring exploits, to her overall image, I&#039;m just a little flabbergasted by some of the material she&#039;s issued. &lt;em&gt;Wild Angels&lt;/em&gt; was a terrific album, but she&#039;s been very spotty since. Imagine if she recorded a few cuts by Ronstadt, Matraca Berg and other writers in that &lt;em&gt;groove&lt;/em&gt;.

Lee Ann Womack isn&#039;t always great live, although it&#039;s hard to compare her 1997 CMA performance with Shania&#039;s, given that it was Womack&#039;s first major TV performance. I&#039;ve seen her sing great, I&#039;ve seen her sing so-so, but that&#039;s with most country artists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Opry suffered from a mini-generation who didn&#8217;t hold the Opry in such high regard or didn&#8217;t find it necessary to include as a key aspect of their careers (Faith Hill, Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney, George Strait, Shania Twain, among others). It makes sense that they would embrace any high-level act who expressed interest, even if the induction comes early in their careers (Loveless, Underwood, Bentley, Turner, etc.) In an attempt to stay relevant, the Opry needs its share of stars.</p>
<p>Erik North hit the nail on the head with Martina McBride, who would also be my choice. As clear-headed as she is about all details of her career, from her schedule, to her touring exploits, to her overall image, I&#8217;m just a little flabbergasted by some of the material she&#8217;s issued. <em>Wild Angels</em> was a terrific album, but she&#8217;s been very spotty since. Imagine if she recorded a few cuts by Ronstadt, Matraca Berg and other writers in that <em>groove</em>.</p>
<p>Lee Ann Womack isn&#8217;t always great live, although it&#8217;s hard to compare her 1997 CMA performance with Shania&#8217;s, given that it was Womack&#8217;s first major TV performance. I&#8217;ve seen her sing great, I&#8217;ve seen her sing so-so, but that&#8217;s with most country artists.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve from Boston</title>
		<link>http://www.countryuniverse.net/2009/01/30/discussion-unplumbed-depths/#comment-34890</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve from Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that&#039;s probably true, Leeann...Patty was inducted by Porter two years into her career as well, but that choice has been vindicated time and time again by Patty&#039;s amazing career and her fidelity to Tradition. Time will tell with the others..

And I think I can anticipate another objection to my statements in addition to the one you raised.;)

Yeah, I know my hero Patty Loveless likes Carrie as one of today&#039;s bright young artists, but I would probably agree too if I also heard Carrie&#039;s Opry performance of &quot;Stand By Your Man&quot;...which is the specific example of Carrie&#039;s potential that Patty usually cites..

I loved Carrie&#039;s Opry performance and interpretation of &quot;How Great Thou Art&quot; and I think this is a similar example of what she is capable of...that is why it is all the more daunting that she is wasting her talent on inferior material, in my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s probably true, Leeann&#8230;Patty was inducted by Porter two years into her career as well, but that choice has been vindicated time and time again by Patty&#8217;s amazing career and her fidelity to Tradition. Time will tell with the others..</p>
<p>And I think I can anticipate another objection to my statements in addition to the one you raised.;)</p>
<p>Yeah, I know my hero Patty Loveless likes Carrie as one of today&#8217;s bright young artists, but I would probably agree too if I also heard Carrie&#8217;s Opry performance of &#8220;Stand By Your Man&#8221;&#8230;which is the specific example of Carrie&#8217;s potential that Patty usually cites..</p>
<p>I loved Carrie&#8217;s Opry performance and interpretation of &#8220;How Great Thou Art&#8221; and I think this is a similar example of what she is capable of&#8230;that is why it is all the more daunting that she is wasting her talent on inferior material, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Leeann Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leeann Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been reading Robert K. Oarmann&#039;s Behind The Opry Curtain book (thanks Music Tomes!) and I&#039;m struck by how many people, in the past, had become Opry members not too far in their careers.  I actually think they typically wait longer to invite people nowadays than they did back in the day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading Robert K. Oarmann&#8217;s Behind The Opry Curtain book (thanks Music Tomes!) and I&#8217;m struck by how many people, in the past, had become Opry members not too far in their careers.  I actually think they typically wait longer to invite people nowadays than they did back in the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve from Boston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve from Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nobody&#039;s perfect VP, not even VInce...;) And there may be a regional bias there, given VInce and Carrie are from the same state. He&#039;s also championed Katrina Elam, alas to no avail.

I sure wasn&#039;t looking to re-ignite our old debate about Carrie, (I&#039;ve really been trying to be good.) And I hope you have read my many more recent comments where I have praised Carrie&#039;s voice and talent time and time again.

My only issues with Miss Underwood are what I consider the premature and excessive level of acclaim that she has received, and the strong pop flavor of her material. That&#039;s my take on it, and no matter how many others agree, it doesn&#039;t make it fact, that&#039;s just our opinion.

Yeah, I still think her induction to the Opry was pre-mature, but there are a lot of other early inductees that I have the same issue with. Dierks Bentley and Craig Morgan to name a few, their inductions have me scratching my head as well. (Sorry Dierks and Craig fans)..

And as far as the &quot;traditional bandwagon&quot; that you mentioned and questioned, the way I see it is this:

Tradtional elements give Country music it&#039;s identity, and makes it distinctive. Excessive pop influence waters it down and puts it in peril of losing it&#039;s soul.  And Country Music has probably the richest and proudest musical heritage of any non-classical genre, Imo. Blues and Jazz and Folk are probably in the same league (I consider Bluegrass a type of Country music). But is there a Ryman for pop music? A geographical Mecca for that amorphous genre? To me, most pop, and much Country-pop should be filed under &quot;miscellaneous&quot;. I&#039;d be hard pressed to even define the genre, except to say it has a characteristic blandness.

Without Traditonal elements, today&#039;s &quot;country-lite&quot; is really nothing more than pop music with a Southern drawl. Many bloggers are on a &quot;Tradition bandwagon&#039;&quot;it&#039;s true, but unfortunately the marketplace is not. Many of us are tired of seeing supremely talented and Timeless artists like Patty Loveless, Kathy Mattea, Carlene Carter,and Roseanne Cash (to name a few) take a back seat to any of the current flavors of the month that are dominating the charts and radio and TV airtime. 

These Country music blogs,( especially our gracious host Country Universe) give many of us on the &quot;bandwagon&quot; a unique forum to celebrate and support the Timeless over the trendy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody&#8217;s perfect VP, not even VInce&#8230;;) And there may be a regional bias there, given VInce and Carrie are from the same state. He&#8217;s also championed Katrina Elam, alas to no avail.</p>
<p>I sure wasn&#8217;t looking to re-ignite our old debate about Carrie, (I&#8217;ve really been trying to be good.) And I hope you have read my many more recent comments where I have praised Carrie&#8217;s voice and talent time and time again.</p>
<p>My only issues with Miss Underwood are what I consider the premature and excessive level of acclaim that she has received, and the strong pop flavor of her material. That&#8217;s my take on it, and no matter how many others agree, it doesn&#8217;t make it fact, that&#8217;s just our opinion.</p>
<p>Yeah, I still think her induction to the Opry was pre-mature, but there are a lot of other early inductees that I have the same issue with. Dierks Bentley and Craig Morgan to name a few, their inductions have me scratching my head as well. (Sorry Dierks and Craig fans)..</p>
<p>And as far as the &#8220;traditional bandwagon&#8221; that you mentioned and questioned, the way I see it is this:</p>
<p>Tradtional elements give Country music it&#8217;s identity, and makes it distinctive. Excessive pop influence waters it down and puts it in peril of losing it&#8217;s soul.  And Country Music has probably the richest and proudest musical heritage of any non-classical genre, Imo. Blues and Jazz and Folk are probably in the same league (I consider Bluegrass a type of Country music). But is there a Ryman for pop music? A geographical Mecca for that amorphous genre? To me, most pop, and much Country-pop should be filed under &#8220;miscellaneous&#8221;. I&#8217;d be hard pressed to even define the genre, except to say it has a characteristic blandness.</p>
<p>Without Traditonal elements, today&#8217;s &#8220;country-lite&#8221; is really nothing more than pop music with a Southern drawl. Many bloggers are on a &#8220;Tradition bandwagon&#8217;&#8221;it&#8217;s true, but unfortunately the marketplace is not. Many of us are tired of seeing supremely talented and Timeless artists like Patty Loveless, Kathy Mattea, Carlene Carter,and Roseanne Cash (to name a few) take a back seat to any of the current flavors of the month that are dominating the charts and radio and TV airtime. </p>
<p>These Country music blogs,( especially our gracious host Country Universe) give many of us on the &#8220;bandwagon&#8221; a unique forum to celebrate and support the Timeless over the trendy.</p>
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		<title>By: Leeann Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leeann Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[VP,
I just meant that I knew what the obvious response would be to Steve saying that Vince was a good judge of talent and potential, since I knew that Vince has also complimented Carrie and has sung on her record.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VP,<br />
I just meant that I knew what the obvious response would be to Steve saying that Vince was a good judge of talent and potential, since I knew that Vince has also complimented Carrie and has sung on her record.</p>
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		<title>By: vp</title>
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		<dc:creator>vp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leeann not sure how to take that, but I just believe every new artist should be given time to succeed, grow, make mistakes, and learn from them. Yeah sure  all her material is not the greatest, but just give her the chance maybe she will get there. Most artist two albums in aren&#039;t that great, so like Kevin said: &quot;she’ll remain someone that I enjoy listening to - I love that voice - but she has a good way to go before she’s someone who can frustrate or disappoint me with her musical output. I just don’t have set expectations for her yet.&quot;

That is my approach with most new artist as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leeann not sure how to take that, but I just believe every new artist should be given time to succeed, grow, make mistakes, and learn from them. Yeah sure  all her material is not the greatest, but just give her the chance maybe she will get there. Most artist two albums in aren&#8217;t that great, so like Kevin said: &#8220;she’ll remain someone that I enjoy listening to &#8211; I love that voice &#8211; but she has a good way to go before she’s someone who can frustrate or disappoint me with her musical output. I just don’t have set expectations for her yet.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is my approach with most new artist as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Leeann Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leeann Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phew, thanks for clearing that one up, Gail.:)  

Steve, I saw VP&#039;s response a mile away, as soon as I read your comment.:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phew, thanks for clearing that one up, Gail.:)  </p>
<p>Steve, I saw VP&#8217;s response a mile away, as soon as I read your comment.:)</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I&#039;m sorry, I went back and investigated and it was not Country Universe that gave Rascal Flatt&#039;s new song an A...it was Country Music Central...cowboybleau...I think!  Can I say that here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;m sorry, I went back and investigated and it was not Country Universe that gave Rascal Flatt&#8217;s new song an A&#8230;it was Country Music Central&#8230;cowboybleau&#8230;I think!  Can I say that here?</p>
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